Zel
Moogle Mage
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Post by Zel on Nov 15, 2016 18:16:32 GMT
My love for Mime is no secret. However, i may have to re-think how untouchable i previously thought she was.
After an intense 8 hour session of playing, i called Square Enix. The following is the response i got via email:
So, its the defending players choice on how the damage is split. Which means that Mime will die to anything 5k (Maybe even 4k), making it way more risky and potentially neutering its ability to generate cards (Not a bad thing).
I personally feel that with damage allocation like this, partying is pretty pointless if your running into First Strikers. Previously partying appeared to be a great way to get over or past a First Striker. How nothing short of removal is going to get you past that 8k Sephiroth.
More testing to do.
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Post by kinro on Nov 15, 2016 23:40:45 GMT
Combine Mime with a Knight.
Combine Mime with a Chocobo.
Combine Mime and a Standard Unit with Warrior of Light.
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Zel
Moogle Mage
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Post by Zel on Nov 16, 2016 8:04:59 GMT
I've played with and don't like many of your suggestions.
Big Chocobo is ok with Haste and the +10k to a party, but a 7k Mime will probably still be eaten by a First Striker, Throw Warrior of Light and Chocobo and that's even better, but this is 3 cards and 9CP in 2 elemental to consistently draw 1 card a turn.
After some play testing i think that pairing Mime with a high power First Striker is actually the best way. If the party is blocked with a First Striker, they can Trade with my First Striker or Break Mime, but not both.
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Post by zafri on Nov 16, 2016 10:09:34 GMT
I've played with and don't like many of your suggestions. Big Chocobo is ok with Haste and the +10k to a party, but a 7k Mime will probably still be eaten by a First Striker, Throw Warrior of Light and Chocobo and that's even better, but this is 3 cards and 9CP in 2 elemental to consistently draw 1 card a turn. After some play testing i think that pairing Mime with a high power First Striker is actually the best way. If the party is blocked with a First Striker, they can Trade with my First Striker or Break Mime, but not both. You're right that First Striking blockers really do a number on attacking parties. Sephiroth L does seem really tough though even if you pair Mime with a First Striker. Vincent H and possibly Firion H (after spending 2CP) are the only First Strikers big enough to take down the 8k Sephiroth L. I guess that's why he costs 8 to cast... Perhaps bouncing him may be a better option for your kind of deck. With card draw from Mime, you could try to play a tempo game. Sephiroth will always require at least 2 cards to be discarded to play him and that's only if you have 4 or more backups in play so that might be a way get ahead for long enough. Obviously bouncing him when has that powerful enters play ability is not ideal but if they will struggle to play him again it could be enough. |
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Post by M2Hero on Nov 16, 2016 10:12:49 GMT
I have a question about the game which I think fits this thread: What happens when you block a party attack with a character with First Strike and the party attacking doesn't include any character with First Strike?
Do you choose first the damage and if it kills a character the party is broken up? This way, your character only suffers then the damage of the remaining character of the party?
Does the party needs two characters with First Strike or only one to defend against this?
Thanks for your help and sorry for the intromission and my bad english.
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Zel
Moogle Mage
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Post by Zel on Nov 16, 2016 10:30:24 GMT
What would happen is this;
1. You attack with a 4k and 4k, partied and neither has First Strike.
2. Your opponent blocks with a 7k First Striker.
3. You opponent can allocate the damage first, which will be enough to break one of the 4k forwards.
4. The remaining 4k forward then deals it's power to the blocker, which would not be enough to break the blocker.
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Post by zafri on Nov 16, 2016 10:38:38 GMT
I have a question about the game which I think fits this thread: What happens when you block a party attack with a character with First Strike and the party attacking doesn't include any character with First Strike? Do you choose first the damage and if it kills a character the party is broken up? This way, your character only suffers then the damage of the remaining character of the party? Does the party needs two characters with First Strike or only one to defend against this? Thanks for your help and sorry for the intromission and my bad english. If the blocking forward has first strike but none of the attacking party has first strike then, as you suggest, the blocking player gets to assign the first strike damage as they choose between the party members and if this breaks any of the party, then they go to the break zone. If the party now has less than 2 members, it is no longer a party. The remaining party or single attacker would then deal it's power to the blocking forward. To completely defend against this you would need all members of the attacking party to have first strike as this then becomes effectively like a regular combat (everyone deals damage in the first strike phase instead of the normal damage phase). Depending on the power of the characters involved, you might still be in a decent position if only one of the attacking party members has first strike but the advantage still heavily lies with the blocker as they get to choose how the damage is allocated so will always make the most favourable option for them. Hope this answers your questions and don't worry about your english, you were perfectly understandable  |
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Post by M2Hero on Nov 16, 2016 10:41:56 GMT
Thank you, Zel.
What happens when you attack with a partied character which has First Strike in this situation? I think you need two partied First Strikers to be on equal conditions with the blocker and do the skill effective (damage at the same time because party and blocker have First Strike), isn't it?
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Post by zafri on Nov 16, 2016 11:22:33 GMT
Thank you, Zel. What happens when you attack with a partied character which has First Strike in this situation? I think you need two partied First Strikers to be on equal conditions with the blocker and do the skill effective (damage at the same time because party and blocker have First Strike), isn't it? Yes that's right. If only one of the 4k attackers had first strike the result would still be the same in that one of the attackers would break and the blocker would not. If both the attackers had first strike then we are back to usual combat and one attacker and the single blocker would break. |
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Post by kinro on Nov 16, 2016 15:49:56 GMT
If not all members of your Party have First Strike, the Party doesn't have First Strike.
The reason why Warrior of Light + Mime is nice is that Mime can Party with some Standard Unit to make a big Party with First Strike. They can still Break Mime by Blocking with a big First Striker, but that's a good trade for a 2 cost Forward which just drew you a card.
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