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Post by shamusnuskay on Nov 12, 2016 19:02:17 GMT
I know mill was nurfed but as they are one of my fave decks to play I thought I'd try a different approach to the wind/ice.
Backups x16
Rikku x3
Thief x3
Archer x2
Chaos x1
Yuna(H)x2
Scholar x3
White mage x2
Forwards x27
Thief x3
Rikku x3
Cid highwind x3
Cid highwind x3
Hope x3
Onion knight x3
Cloud of darkness x3
Ultimacia x3
Gordon x3
Summons x7
Leviathan x3
Valafor x3
Alexandre x1
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Zel
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Post by Zel on Nov 16, 2016 19:52:17 GMT
Which Forward Rikku is that?
I like the list. 1 Chaos is a good call.
Have you considered Paine? Drawing a card and activating Backs ups let you trigger Rikku again.
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Post by shamusnuskay on Nov 16, 2016 20:00:25 GMT
It's the return 5 backups to owners hand Rikku.
I could trade her out for onion knight maybe? I like that 1 cost less 1000 less atk, but draw and activate 3 backups instead of 1
It's worked quiet well so far 3-0 with it.
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Post by shamusnuskay on Nov 16, 2016 20:09:25 GMT
What you think to the ultimacia I think I may drop her for something else.
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Zel
Moogle Mage
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Post by Zel on Nov 17, 2016 10:06:56 GMT
Personally not a fan of her. She stops haste and blocking with newly summoned forwards which could be relevant and her special will be hard to use most of the time.
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Post by shamusnuskay on Nov 17, 2016 11:11:35 GMT
Yer exactly same thoughts, I've just used her for cp every game so far.
Any ideas what to put in her place?
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Post by zafri on Nov 17, 2016 11:21:52 GMT
Completely different card and so not necessarily to replace Ultimecia but what about Geomancer (1-169C) for this deck? Being able to Scry every turn to find your key answers or mill cards could be a good fit.
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Post by shamusnuskay on Nov 17, 2016 11:23:48 GMT
Completely different card and so not necessarily to replace Ultimecia but what about Geomancer (1-169C) for this deck? Being able to Scry every turn to find your key answers or mill cards could be a good fit. The problem I find with that is I have no way to reshuffle my deck so if something goes to the bottom I may not be able to get back if I need it. That and my back ups are pretty set atm if I was gunna add any other backups it would be aerith hands down. |
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Post by zafri on Nov 17, 2016 11:34:19 GMT
Completely different card and so not necessarily to replace Ultimecia but what about Geomancer (1-169C) for this deck? Being able to Scry every turn to find your key answers or mill cards could be a good fit. The problem I find with that is I have no way to reshuffle my deck so if something goes to the bottom I may not be able to get back if I need it. That and my back ups are pretty set atm if I was gunna add any other backups it would be aerith hands down. Fair enough, just an idea. It just feels to me like you are a critical mass deck, in so far as you need to draw enough mill cards to win the game before your opponent overpowers you. If the deck had lots of removal, like Earth and Lightning do, then I could see that you could control the board and mill your opponent out regardless of how many mill cards you happen to draw. In Water/Wind you have limited control options as there is much less removal so you have more tempo plays like leviathan and valefor, which give you time, but don't permanently answer the opponents threats. That's why I thought something that filters your draws and allows you to put redundant backups or summons to the bottom to draw into more Cids and Rikkus would be helpful. This is just theoretical though as I haven't actually seen this (or any other) mill deck play out so it may well not be how the games go. Just my thoughts  |
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Post by shamusnuskay on Nov 17, 2016 12:49:33 GMT
To be honest I could take out white mage for it that may be a better trade.
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Zel
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Post by Zel on Nov 17, 2016 15:11:33 GMT
The problem I find with that is I have no way to reshuffle my deck so if something goes to the bottom I may not be able to get back if I need it. That and my back ups are pretty set atm if I was gunna add any other backups it would be aerith hands down. Fair enough, just an idea. It just feels to me like you are a critical mass deck, in so far as you need to draw enough mill cards to win the game before your opponent overpowers you. If the deck had lots of removal, like Earth and Lightning do, then I could see that you could control the board and mill your opponent out regardless of how many mill cards you happen to draw. In Water/Wind you have limited control options as there is much less removal so you have more tempo plays like leviathan and valefor, which give you time, but don't permanently answer the opponents threats. That's why I thought something that filters your draws and allows you to put redundant backups or summons to the bottom to draw into more Cids and Rikkus would be helpful. This is just theoretical though as I haven't actually seen this (or any other) mill deck play out so it may well not be how the games go. Just my thoughts Really good points here. You do need to dig hard into your wincon or risk losing a couple of turns of potential milling. Maybe Alma is a card to consider as well. |
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Post by shamusnuskay on Nov 17, 2016 15:31:04 GMT
Ok i switched out white mage for Geomancer didn't draw into her though. i switched out ultimacia for wakka (s) but tempted by jus keeping onion knight or going 1x sephiroth (L)
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Post by shamusnuskay on Nov 17, 2016 15:42:58 GMT
And btw thanks guys for the help much appreciated.  |
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Post by zafri on Nov 17, 2016 16:10:25 GMT
Fair enough, just an idea. It just feels to me like you are a critical mass deck, in so far as you need to draw enough mill cards to win the game before your opponent overpowers you. If the deck had lots of removal, like Earth and Lightning do, then I could see that you could control the board and mill your opponent out regardless of how many mill cards you happen to draw. In Water/Wind you have limited control options as there is much less removal so you have more tempo plays like leviathan and valefor, which give you time, but don't permanently answer the opponents threats. That's why I thought something that filters your draws and allows you to put redundant backups or summons to the bottom to draw into more Cids and Rikkus would be helpful. This is just theoretical though as I haven't actually seen this (or any other) mill deck play out so it may well not be how the games go. Just my thoughts Really good points here. You do need to dig hard into your wincon or risk losing a couple of turns of potential milling. Maybe Alma is a card to consider as well. I like Alma a little less than Geomancer because she costs 1CP more and you do run the risk of milling yourself faster than you mill your opponent, but given that we are not a board-control, long-game mill deck and more a turbo mill deck that is less of an issue. It might be right to just have both of them. Alma does have the very real upside of being able to discard unwanted cards from your hand. It's less relevant in general in FFTCG as you can discard anything for CP but if we had more Light or Dark cards then she becomes even more valuable. |
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Post by zafri on Nov 17, 2016 16:30:47 GMT
And btw thanks guys for the help much appreciated. No worries. It's really interesting to discuss these things. Let us know how your testing goes and any further changes |
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